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326. Ironclad Evidence

David Lee explained to Liu Wancheng: "Of course not. They arrested Hops. Hops has admitted that he loaded his core technical information into the hard drive and let you see it. Moreover, the agent searched Hops' factory and got the computer you left there. The computer does have that core technical information, which is as proof as a mountain of evidence!"

Liu Wancheng argued: "Even if the technical information is in my computer, I didn't take it away?"

David Lee said: "This is enough to prove that you have read that information. From the perspective of American law, this is already sufficient evidence."

Liu Wancheng felt that things were serious. But he still tried his best to keep his mind clear.

He asked, "Then is there no way?"

David Lee said: "In my experience, because the evidence is conclusive, there is indeed no good way to defend innocence. If you ask me to defend innocence for you, I have to tell you clearly that if you do not overturn the conclusive counter-proof of these evidences, it will only be considered by the jury that you are quibbling and may aggravate your crime."

Liu Wancheng asked again: "So, according to your opinion, what should I do?"

David Lee corrected him and said, "It's not what you should do, but what we should do." Then he said, "My idea is that we should defend guilt. We admit that we saw the information from Hops and did want to get it. The purpose of getting it is not to steal it for anyone, but to learn from it and use it for your own business imitation. What you need to emphasize is that at that time you did not realize that this behavior was an act of espionage. This is a difference between conscious crime and unconscious crime.

Another point is that you asked Hops to give you this material to you, or Hops to give you it? Of course, if Hops to give you it is given you it is given you it is given you it is much less guilty. The key to the problem is that you want to make a reason why Hops gave you it is given you it is believed by the jury. Moreover, this reason cannot be refuted by Hops. This is the key issue you are considering."

Liu Wancheng thought for a long time and asked: "Even if we successfully defended guilt, what will be my final result?"

David Lee replied to him: "You will be in jail for three to five years, and then your company must pay enough fines. According to previous cases, you may have to bear about $100 million in such commercial stealing."

Liu Wancheng closed his eyes and thought, and it took him a long time to open his eyes. He looked at David Lee and didn't speak.

David Lee was very uncomfortable with his eyes staring, thinking about it, "If we don't do this, Mr. Liu, you have to know that your crime is very serious. If it involves the national level, you may face life imprisonment. Do you understand?"

Liu Wancheng did not express any expression to David Lee's conclusion, but said: "The next time you come here, you ask my wife and the legal counsel of our company to come together."

David Lee was a little angry and asked him, "Why, don't you believe me?"

Liu Wancheng smiled slightly and said, "You misunderstood. To be honest, I don't understand what I said to them. But my wife understands a little. At the same time, my company's legal counsel can help me contact the country. If we need any evidence during the defense process, maybe he will get it."

In fact, Liu Wancheng just didn't believe this David Lee very much. In his opinion, David Lee's tone was intimidating him.

David Lee was expressionless when he heard this, and then asked, "Mr. Liu, do you have any other requirements?"

Liu Wancheng thought about it and said, "Don't let those federal agents come to interrogate me again, I won't say a word to them!"

David Lee said, "Don't worry, they won't come again." He left after that.

At this time, Zhang Jing had no intention of doing business. Just as Liu Wancheng was taken away by the FBI, Hops was also taken away in his factory in the suburbs.

Zhang Jing discussed with Kadeer that she was responsible for understanding Liu Wancheng's situation and Kadeer was responsible for Hops.

Hops was a straightforward guy. When he arrived at the FBI, he talked about everything with Liu Wancheng from knowing and dating to telling him the core secrets.

FBI officials asked him, don’t you know it’s a crime to tell people from hostile countries such an important trade secret?

At this point, Hopps was not stupid and replied to the other party, saying that this is my own technology, I communicate with my good friends, and I have a yarn relationship with crime? Besides, he is an investor, so I don’t understand what I have and how to invest? I didn’t know how to answer the question from the FBI agent.

When David Lee came back, Zhang Jing asked about the situation. What David Lee said to Zhang Jing was similar to what Liu Wancheng said, and he wanted to prepare to defend guilt.

Zhang Jing asked: "In this case, can I be released on bail?"

David Lee thought to Zhang Jing and said, "It depends on how the judge considers it. If he thinks it is a general leak, bail will be allowed. If he thinks it is a spy case, I'm afraid Mr. Liu will have to stay in it for a long time until the trial is over and there is no chance to come out."

Zhang Jing was a little confused. She really had feelings for Liu Wancheng. Instead of letting Liu Wancheng stay inside, she would rather be inside herself, and Liu Wancheng is outside. Liu Wancheng is very sensible and can try to save her. But she is a woman, what should I do?

At this point, she remembered that she was a woman.

She asked David Lee: "Look, how likely is the bail?"

David Lee said: "It depends on the situation on Hops. Mr. Liu seems to have an understanding of the FBI and will not answer a word in it. But Mr. Hops has talked about a lot of things that are not good for us. I have already told Mr. Liu that as long as he does not admit it, the FBI cannot obtain evidence of his service to the country, and it will not be considered a spy case. Fortunately, Mr. Liu's company does not have a national background, and I believe the judge will allow bail."

Zhang Jing listened for a long time but couldn't understand what was going on. Before leaving, David Li conveyed Liu Wancheng's words to Zhang Jing to see Zhang Jing and the company's legal counsel.

He said: "I coordinated with FBI officials, but the other party did not agree. The case seems to be a bit serious, so we will go there together and apply for bail when the judge begins next week. Then, remember to prepare the funds."

When Zhang Jing heard that she would not be allowed to meet, she was even more insane. She sent David Lee away in a daze and went to find Kadeer again. What did the lawyer Kadeer asked to say?

Kadeer couldn't explain clearly, so he took Zhang Jing directly to Hops' lawyer.

However, Hops' lawyers say something different from David Lee.

Hops' lawyer believes that the key to this case is whether it is a commercial espionage case? Although Hops's technology belongs to the list of confidential technologies protected by American law, it is no longer the most advanced technology, and Hops has applied for a personal patent.

In other words, this is his personal technical secret and he is willing to give it to Liu Wancheng, and the FBI does not care. However, Liu Wancheng is a foreigner and is one of the countries with technology blockade in the United States, which is complicated.

The best way is to technically prove that Liu Wancheng did not learn from or steal Hops' technology back to China. This requires communication with domestic company technicians to see if he can come up with strong evidence to prove this.

Zhang Jing was desperate when she heard this. She knew that the trick that Old Wei in China was completely imitating Hops. How could you turn it over?

However, Hops' lawyer also said that such infringement cases are in the United States every year, and it is simply a mess. As long as Liu Wancheng and Hops insist that they only communicate technically, they can become infringement cases. The FBI has no right to intervene and must release Liu Wancheng and Hops. As for infringement, Hops will not pursue it. What are your FBI worries?

Zhang Jing didn't understand how to change the espionage case and the infringement case. In her mind, as long as she could bail Liu Wancheng first, she might have a way. Some of this guys have incredible ideas.

Hops' lawyer thought about it and said: "There should be no problem with bail in this case."

Only then did Zhang Jing feel relieved.

Zhang Jing returned to the company and called the company's legal counsel Lao Yang to ask.

Lao Yang was in the United States for many years before returning to China to develop. He was familiar with American laws, but after staying in China for a long time, something happened to Liu Wancheng. He was afraid that if he made a mistake, he would harm Liu Wancheng, so he did not dare to take this case, so he asked Zhang Jing to find the most famous Chinese lawyer in the local area.

Zhang Jing told him about meeting two lawyers and asked him to make a judgment.

Lao Yang thought for a long time before saying: "Generally speaking, the entire investigation process of the FBI case is the end. They either apply for release due to insufficient evidence or close the case and transfer it to judicial litigation procedures. In the meantime, parole is not allowed.

However, if they were able to arrest Mr. Liu, it means that they had evidence that was very unfavorable to Mr. Liu. Their case handling is not like in China, and they did not have conclusive evidence, and they could not get an arrest warrant signed by the judge.

Their arrests of Mr. Liu and Mr. Hops at the same time mean that they have obtained the exact evidence before they can obtain the arrest warrant.

Mr. Liu and Mr. Hops were arrested at the same time just to add some evidence details. Even if Mr. Liu didn't say a word, they could still close the case with zero confession and hand it over to the litigation agency. However, Mr. Liu did not answer, so as not to make any mistakes in speech and add evidence to the other party.

As for bail, in my experience, bail is not allowed unless a major and serious murder case is incurred. In other cases, as long as we have a guarantee and pay a full deposit, we can be bailed. It’s just that white judges have the habit of discriminating against people of color, and Mr. Liu may have to pay more of the deposit."

As expected, three people and three opinions, Zhang Jing became more and more confused and worried.

She asked Lao Yang: "What should I do now? Should I notify the country? I am afraid that this matter will be in trouble in the company, but everyone comes to cause trouble."

Lao Yang thought about it and said: "Generally, the judicial procedures in the United States are very slow and will give us enough time to provide counter-proof. In my opinion, I don't know much about the situation here in China, and it will not help us much.

At least, we already know the details of the case. As for how to fight back, I have checked the relevant information and discussed it with the two lawyers specifically to list a list of what information they need. In this way, we will know what we need to do in China, or we can roughly infer the development trend of a case, and then notify the country to see what they have. It is not too late."

After thinking about it, he said again: "When we finish these materials, Mr. Liu will probably be released on bail. At this time, we can also ask Mr. Liu for his opinions, and then Mr. Zhang, please make a decision?"
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