Fu Song is not complimenting Liu Keli. Many people know that CPU and operating system are important, and they also know that they need to build their own CPU and operating system. However, few people can consider issues from a market perspective like Liu Keli.

This is actually a common problem among many experts, scholars and academicians. One is more powerful than the other. If they really ask them to give a specific solution or technical path, they will immediately get blinded.

Liu Keli is better than them. Although she doesn't know what to do, at least she knows what the problem is.

"But I don't agree with your last sentence. First of all, R&D without marketization is not useless. For example, Bell Labs of AT&T, many of its R&D results cannot be commercialized or marketized, but are these R&D investments wasted?"

Liu Keli said: "Isn't it a waste to develop without profits?"

Fu Song shook his head and said, "In my opinion, as long as you are serious about R&D, even if you are not successful, you will make at least two contributions: one is to train the R&D team, which is a value that cannot be measured by money; the other is to lay the foundation for other research.

No innovation is made out of nothing and can be achieved overnight. Without these failed R&D work, many of the things we use now will not appear.

If we are worried that it will not make money by building integrated circuits and operating systems, then won’t we do it?

If we don’t occupy this market ourselves, we will be occupied by foreigners.

In this way, international semiconductor giants use the money they earn in our market to continue to suppress and block us, and then fall into a vicious circle where the strong will always be stronger and the weak will become weaker.

If we do nothing, this vicious circle will become more and more stable, and will even become a noose around our necks.

The foreigner held the other end of the noose and could kill us at any time!

Take the integrated circuit industry as an example. If Yuanwang Technology did not have Yuanwang Technology, what do you think of the current situation of our integrated circuit industry? What will happen in the future?"

Liu Keli did not answer immediately, frowned and fell into deep thought.

Fu Song didn't bother her, so he quickly took a sip of tea to moisten his throat, so that he could fight Liu Keli for three hundred rounds next.

He hasn't spoken so freely in a long time, and this is another kind of coldness in the heights.

Because with his current status, others will try to follow him whatever he says.

On the contrary, Liu Keli has her own opinions, her own ideas, and her own perspective.

Although Fu Song disagreed with some of her words, he did not understand the truth. He felt that he needed such a person. Such a debate opportunity was not to make her convince herself, but to strengthen her determination!

He raised his hand to see the time, and he had already gotten off work, so he gave He Jia a wink.

He Jia understood it and got up to arrange supper.

Feng Ye replaced He Jia and became the little maid who served tea and water.

"Teacher Liu, you have tea." Feng Ye studied news in college. In her eyes, Liu Keli is her senior, and the name Teacher Liu is called extremely natural.

"Oh, Minister Feng, why are you embarrassed?" Liu Keli didn't dare to treat Feng Ye as a junior and thanked him repeatedly.

He took a sip of tea, looked at Fu Song with a complicated look, and said, "Mr. Fu, the reason why I have to conduct an exclusive interview with you is, on the one hand, I don't understand why you must dive into the semiconductor industry even though you know it is impossible?

On the other hand, I admire you very much. I know that I can’t do it, but I almost supported half of the domestic semiconductor industry with my own strength….”

"Cough cough cough..." Fu Song almost sprayed the tea in his mouth, choking and coughing repeatedly, and said while coughing: "Teacher Liu, Teacher Liu, stop, stop, I am a timid person. You hold me so high, I'm afraid of falling."

Liu Keli burst out laughing: "Mr. Fu, what I said is all about my heart, and it is also true. Minister Feng, what do you say?"

"Yes, yes, yes, Teacher Liu is right!" Feng Ye felt that he was shot while lying down, and he felt speechless.

But she was not flattering Fu Song against her will. She actually admired Fu Song very much. For a illusory goal, she regarded money as dirt.

Ask yourself, if she had so much money, she wouldn't throw the money on the semiconductor and get it was wasted.

Fu Song smiled bitterly and waved his hand and said, "You two of you gathered together and put a high hat on me. I am not fooled. Teacher Liu, I am not as noble and great as you said. I am essentially a businessman.

As a businessman, he has the primary goal of pursuing profits. He can do things that are not profitable occasionally, but for a few years, more than ten years, or even decades, doing something that is not profitable...

Haha, how could it be possible for me to have no water in my head? Besides, even if my head is stuck in the door and I am willing to do it, I have to have this capital!

The semiconductor integrated circuit industry often invests tens of billions of dollars. No matter how rich I am, I can’t afford to make such trouble. Do you think this is the case?”

Liu Keli said in confusion: "Mr. Fu, from what you mean, are you very confident that you can have a place in the semiconductor industry?"

"No confidence." Fu Song shook his head, "Just as you said just now, the domestic market is too small, and..., how to say it, some people in China don't seem to want to see domestic semiconductors independent and self-reliant."

As the best among the first generation of IT journalists in China, it is no exaggeration to say that Liu Keli is the first domestic IT journalist, so she naturally knows what Fu Song meant.

So she just smiled, didn't answer the topic, and said: "In early 1989, I summarized some problems in the domestic IT industry in a review report.

I still remember several of the data. In 1988, my country's computer industry fixed assets were only 830 million yuan. Among the 538 enterprises and institutions, there were 392 software information services, 146 manufacturing industries, and 80,000 hardware engineers among the 170,000 employees.

At that time, my country's hardware manufacturing enterprises, including the whole people, collective and individual, included 10 small machine assembly lines, 21 microcomputer assembly lines, 9 disk assembly lines, 11 floppy disk assembly lines, 6 display terminal assembly lines, 6 printer assembly lines, 12 PCB assembly lines, and 10 other external equipment assembly lines.

These companies can produce a output value of 10 billion yuan per year. However, in 1988, my country's computer industry's annual output value was only 2 billion yuan, with sales of 2.2 billion yuan. With imported computer equipment, the domestic computer market that year was actually only 4 billion yuan.

I analyzed that after combining these numbers, there were two obvious inequality: resources are greater than output value, and market is less than sales.

Finally, I came to a conclusion: in the 1990s, if China's computer industry wanted to survive, its movement trajectory must be transferred to the international community. While introducing it, it must also boldly go out."

"Teacher Liu, you still remember so much data so clearly. I admire you!" Fu Song has never been very sensitive to numbers, and he feels that it is more difficult to remember various numbers than memorize classical Chinese.

Liu Keli smiled and said, "I update these data every year, and do some analysis when it is updated, so although four or five years have passed, I basically have to review it once or twice a year."

Fu Song sighed: "Teacher Liu, you can draw this conclusion by just data analysis. I sincerely admire it. The domestic market is too small, so you can only go abroad to grab food. This is also the reason why I insist on Yuanwang Technology going overseas."

Liu Keli said in confusion: "Since you don't have confidence, why do you still have to do it? What supports you?"

Why does this sentence sound so familiar?

A picture suddenly appeared in Fu Song's mind: Ms. Dong, the number one sister of CCTV, asked affectionately: "Mr. Fu, I must have a strong belief that supports you when you can achieve your current achievements. What kind of belief is this?"

Oh my god, it’s all about to get embarrassing cancer!

Fu Song couldn't help but have a cold war, and then said in a cynical tone: "Of course it's for money!"

Liu Keli: “….”

With a thud, she felt her heart breaking.

She had just thought of many answers, such as not steaming buns to make a sigh of relief, or to avoid being stuck by foreign countries, or to maintain national information security, or even to bring glory to the nation, etc.

She could understand all these and thought they were normal, but she never expected that Fu Song didn't play according to common sense and told herself openly that he was doing it for money!

This is quite politically incorrect!

Aren't he afraid that he would write his words into the report?

Seeing Liu Keli laughing and crying, Fu Song smiled: "Teacher Liu, you just said that I knew I could not do it, but I dare not agree with this.

On the contrary, I am very optimistic about the semiconductor and integrated circuit industry, which is an industry that will have great potential in the next few decades, so I bet on the semiconductor industry.

All your worries are correct, I admit, and don’t deny them. For the semiconductor industry, scientific research and development is the simplest thing, and the key is industrialization.

Often, one dollar is invested in scientific research and development, and related commercialization and industrialization require at least one hundred yuan.

So, I have to walk on two legs. The panda operating system is one leg and the dragon core is two outer leg.

At the same time, around Panda operating system and Loongson, we will build the domestic platform of Yuanwang Computer, and around this domestic platform, we will start from the most basic and bottom layer to create a complete semiconductor industry chain and industrial ecosystem based on the country."

"Industrial Ecology?" This was the first time Liu Keli heard this word, but after a little thought, she roughly understood the meaning of the word. "Mr. Fu, this word is well used, but I still don't understand it very much."

Fu Song thought for a while and said, "A ecosystem has major species, secondary species, and environmental factors.

Different species can survive through the food chain, mutually beneficial symbiosis and competition, thereby maintaining the balance and diversity of ecosystems.

Only such an ecosystem can be more stable, healthy and sustainable.

In the domestic IT industry ecosystem, Yuanwang Technology wants to become the main species, and to make the two most core, most complex and most difficult items in this industrial ecosystem - chip design and operating system.

In this process, find powerful partners, such as Vision Group's foundry, where both parties benefit each other and develop and make progress together.

At the same time, invest, cultivate and support a series of small and medium-sized enterprises, which can do photoresist, packaging and testing, eca-based software, etc.

In addition, we must continue to expand upstream and downstream of the semiconductor industry, such as lithography machines, etching machines, home appliances, automobiles, mobile phones, etc..”

Liu Keli nodded while listening, and finally exclaimed: "Mr. Fu, I think your understanding of the it industry has risen to a philosophical level."

Fu Song said with a funny look: "Teacher Liu, you really make me feel nervous."

Liu Keli said seriously: "According to my understanding, philosophy is a science that studies science. If it is put into the it industry, I think it is defined as a scientific methodological system for studying the it industry."

Fu Song felt very novel about her statement and nodded: "It industrial philosophy can even remove the attribution of 'it' and become 'industrial philosophy'. Well, it's a bit interesting."

"Yes, industrial philosophy!" Liu Keli smiled, "It's better for you to summarize it, Mr. Fu! Just like the best politician should be the best philosopher, the best economist should be the best philosopher, and the first-class entrepreneur should be the first-class industrial philosopher."

Fu Song spread his hands and said, "By this standard, I can only be considered an underclass entrepreneur now."

"Mr. Fu, you are too modest!" Liu Keli shook her head, "I remember you said something very well just now. The basic logic of things will not lie to us. This is to rise to the level of philosophy.

In fact, many of your analysis and predictions of the it industry can be classified into the methodology of industrial philosophy. Industrial development must respect scientific laws, because industrial development has its basic logic, which is the cornerstone of the existence of industrial philosophy.

For example, the IT industry in the 1980s can be said to be a stand-alone era industry, while the existence of software, applications, peripherals, etc. in the stand-alone era almost all revolve around large computers and personal computers. This phenomenon has continued until now.

From an industrial perspective, during this period, the it industry formed a vertical division of labor. The vertical division of labor prompted all computer software and hardware in the vertical industry to form economies of scale, and the economies of scale prompted the price of it to plummetly drop.

If we use the methodology of industrial philosophy to make a prediction about the IT industry, I think the Internet may be a new explosion point for the IT industry, and various applications and products carried on the Internet will emerge in endlessly.

In the pre-private computer era before the 1980s, giants such as ibm, dec, and Wang'an computer were born.

In the 1980s, the personal computer era has given birth to giants such as Microsoft, Intel, Ocrale, Sun, Apple, Compaq, HP, and Dell.

It can be imagined that the emergence and development of the Internet may... no, it will definitely give birth to a group of new IT industry giants.

At the same time, in this process, the fall of the old giants will inevitably be accompanied by the fall of dec and Wang An computers in the era of personal computers."

Fu Song couldn't help but look at her twice. If it weren't for the advantage of foresight, he would never be able to make such accurate predictions as Liu Keli.

This girl has some skills!

Fu Song suddenly became loving talent. Such a person was just a tabloid reporter, which was too wasteful!

However, he still suppressed his desire to recruit. After all, the first time they met, it would be better to understand and talk about it.

"Teacher Liu, listening to your words is better than reading for ten years."
Chapter completed!