Seeing that the ministers didn't understand, Liu Xie had to give further examples, split them apart, and broke them to tell them.

"Take Qingzhou as an example, Qingzhou has always been a major salt production area, with nearly 100 salt farms of all sizes. According to your debate yesterday, there are two or three hundred workers in the small salt farms, and nearly 10,000 workers in the large ones, which are enough to supply more than 70% of the people in the country to use salt. Can such an industry be handed over to private operations?"

"However, handing it over to the official camp does not mean that the court can arbitrarily raise the salt price and collect the capitol tax in disguise. If this is done, the people will inevitably suffer and private salt dealers are prevalent."

"However, the official workshops have bloated personnel, low efficiency, and even corruption is not over again and again, how can they be solved? First of all, of course, there are severe punishments and laws, and the school office is responsible for supervising the world. Anyone who discovers corruption, no matter what level of officials, must be killed. If corruption is serious, you can consider a certain amount of interference."

Before he finished speaking, Guan Ning stood up and objected: "Your Majesty, I only heard that it was influenced by virtue..."

Before he could finish speaking, Liu Xie reached out and signaled him to shut up: "I know, you put away the nonsense first. I know that it is useless to rely solely on severe punishment and law. Even if I ask the school office to investigate corruption, the school office itself has the risk of being attracted and corrupted, so severe punishment and law are just the last resort."

"Take Qingzhou Salt Factory as an example, three to five official enterprises can be established. The court only sets the highest and lowest prices for salt sales. The court will not directly ask how to operate it. Especially in terms of employment, the court cannot force employees, and it is even more unusable to work by official slaves, so that the people have the right to choose freely. Which salt factory is well treated, you will go to work. Well... I think the official slave system will be abolished in the future."

Cao Cao frowned and said, "I think... there is something wrong with this policy."

"How is it inappropriate?"

"The so-called officials protect each other, the same thing in ancient and modern times. Your Majesty used sharp means to attack the party members, but the words of redeeming ministers are not new party members now? The officials who came from imperial guards and guards are not grouped together and formed a small political group? Without ten years, these officials in charge of the official workshop will form one, resist the court and cause harm to the people."

After saying that, Cao Cao thought Liu Xiehui was very unhappy, but he didn't expect that Liu Xie slapped his thigh and said, "Mr. Wei is right, it is indeed so reasonable. So I think that the court's shareholding ratio in the salt field should not exceed 40%, and the other 60% of the shares should be handed over to individuals through buying, selling or rewards. In this way, when the bureaucrats appointed by the court are doing nonsense, 60% of the private capital can unite to oppose the workshop's decision."

Cao Cao immediately retorted: "The emperor's policy is truly absurd. Not to mention that he owns 40%. Even if he only owns 10%, will private businessmen still dare to fight against the imperial administrative orders? There is a difference between officials and businessmen. Should these people who occupy shares in the workshop be considered merchants or officials?"

Cao Cao asked Liu Xie about this. His design completely copied the practices of later generations, but he forgot that modern society belongs to a society ruled by law. If it is forced to make it urgent, individuals can also sue the local government.

But feudal society is different. The first level of official positions is to crush people to death. Even if 60% of the shares are really united, they cannot be able to overwhelm 40%. Any minor official can crush those private capital.

After thinking about it, Liu Xie said: "What you said makes sense, but the bureaucrats in charge of specific factories are just small bureaucrats after all, and those private individuals who participate in state-owned enterprises...

Of course, not everyone can invest in shares. Can the nobles use land to exchange shares? After all, land is the real foundation of the country, and it is related to the life and death of the people. The profits of the shares of this company will only be higher than that of the land, but the impact on the people is less than that of the land."

When Cao Cao heard this, he frowned again.

Could it be that... two months ago, the emperor had already thought of this plan when he moved to the tomb?

This is too long-term!

The Nanyang nobles have just been forced to exchange land and have been greatly damaged by the energy of taking turns. The new land has not been allocated and has not yet been reclaimed. Some nobles with poor population must have a strong desire to exchange land for shares.

Of course, Cao Cao and his ministers were not the nobles in Nanyang, but the nobles of this dynasty. At present, the nobles produced by this dynasty must be no less than those of Han Guangwu.

Hiss~, no wonder there are nobles who discuss politics!

During the reign of Emperor Guangwu, the heroes were retired, civil officials were promoted, and the nobles were rewarded with excessive fertile land, making meritorious people a powerful man among the powerful. It cannot be said that Emperor Guangwu did not do well. After all, bureaucratic professionalism is a good thing for the country and the people.

Previously, the civil and military officials in the court had never stopped discussing how the emperor would place the nobles. Many people even thought that the emperor wanted to do the opposite, to promote the heroes and withdraw the civil servants.

When I saw this today, it turns out that the wisdom of the emperor is not something that ordinary people like us can guess. It is really a link behind each other!

In this way, industries such as salt and iron that are related to the lifeline of the country will be jointly controlled by the court and the nobles, but this will allow these nobles to truly live with the country.

However, these shares actually replaced land and became the meal ticket for the nobles to support their families. Not only did they liberate a large amount of land that could be used to farm and garrison the people, but the nobles could not really let the bureaucrats do whatever they wanted.

You embezzle and accept bribes, have redundant staff, and have more stewardship than those who work, and it is the interests of these nobles. The nobles are qualified to participate in the nobles' political meeting. Can the grassroots officials in your local area bully?

Even if this happens, the business problems of this company can be completely left to the nobles. The court only needs to send more reliable accounts and prevent the nobles from making fake accounts, so that they can collect money on a monthly basis, which is out of the actual management of the company.

If this happens, to a certain extent, politics and economy will be separated. The nobles naturally have to study major events in the world, but what they study is only major events in the economic field, and cannot have an impact on military and national affairs and interfere with the decisions of administrative officials.

"Good guy, this is a meritorious official and a civil servant! How could the emperor be said to be a wise emperor?"

But when I think about it a little deeper, Cao Cao's face turned pale.

Before, when Liu Bei and others were puzzled, they thought that the emperor's strategy of moving the nobles tombs was to compete for power with Cao Cao, because even the people of Yingchuan, who were the emperor's foundation, were mostly civil servants. Since the Han Dynasty, they could not be named a marquis without military merit, it is not a joke. The number of nobles of Yingchuan race was far lower than those of Qiao County.

Nowadays, except for the newly recruited so-called great scholars, who are not marquis?

By then, these marquises will have a lot of money in these companies, which will be the same as the court!

If this is the way of playing, he can't even believe Cao Ren!

But if you say he opposes, how can he oppose it?

The tombs have been moved!

Whether it is the great men of this dynasty or the great men of the previous dynasty, they have already accepted the land replacement measures first, which means that the matter has actually been halfway through.

Now that we oppose it, we will offend all the nobles in the world.

Even if they are from Qiao County, no, even if they are from the Cao family, what will they think then?

They will definitely think: You Cao Mengde, it would be fine if you fight for power and profit with the emperor yourself, but do you ignore the thousands of people in our Cao family?

Don't you take advantage of your great achievements that are not rewarded and you will be busy with the descendants of our Cao family to get more shares, and you will invest more shares and make sure to make a profit and have a certain political voice, such as copper mines, iron smelting, horse herding, etc., but instead are busy fighting for power and profit? Then you fight, we can ask for shares.

The Cao family is like this, and the Xiahou family is even less sure that they can follow them to the point of being in the dark.

Cao Cao asked tremblingly, "Dare you ask the emperor, does this power to exchange land for shares refer to Guanneihou or above, or specifically to the Marquis of the Marquis of the Lord?"

"Why... let the county marquis and the township marquis invest in state-owned enterprises, Duxiang marquis and Tinghou invest in state-owned enterprises, and Guannei marquis invest in county-owned enterprises."

"I dare to ask the emperor, what is a national, state, and county enterprise?"

"This is the second item I want to say, that is, the local government and the central government implement a binary separation structure. National enterprises, as the name suggests, belong to all the people, are directly responsible to me, and only monopolizes the salt in Qingzhou, horses in Guanzhong, copper in Jingzhou, shipbuilding, iron and other industries. This large-scale enterprise that is related to the lifeline of the country and has a large scale. The employment scale of each factory is no less than 10,000 people. It is enough to have more than a dozen companies nationwide."

"Of course, taking salt as an example, Xuzhou can also produce salt, but the scale is far less than Qingzhou. But can the salt in Qingzhou be dried? But if so many companies are managed by the central government, how can they be managed?"

"Besides, there are actual situations in various places. The central government does not understand the actual situation in the local area and cannot provide good guidance, which makes it impossible to adapt to local conditions, such as the agricultural tools produced do not meet the actual situation of the local land."

"In this way, this part of the enterprises will be unified in each county and each state to manage them. However, these enterprises are also competitive. For example, if there is an iron smelting enterprise that makes iron pots and a company that makes iron pots in Yingchuan, the cost of making iron pots in Nanyang is high. The price is that ordinary people are willing to buy iron pots in Yingchuan, the local government of Nanyang shall not block them. During the assessment, the operating conditions of these local enterprises must be compared. Of course, the central government has the right to inquire about it."

When everyone heard this, they frowned and thought, especially Cao Cao.

Is this move...has the power of local prefects and governors strengthened, or reduced?

It should be strengthened, but the problem is that the enterprises belonging to these states and counties are all invested by nobles, and these nobles have to hold meetings every year. In this way, wouldn’t this become the best emperor in the local area?

This is still aimed at the nobles of the previous dynasty. If they were nobles of the dynasty, that would be even more so, especially the Guannei Hou of this dynasty... either they are from Qiao County or they are from the emperor's guard. Who would give you an ordinary prefect if you make trouble?

And the meritorious group of Qiao County... Cao Cao felt that his mind was a little too weak now. If the emperor had no deep meaning in this matter, he would not believe it if he beat him to death.

It’s a pity that his ability is limited. Today, the emperor has too many profound meanings, and it seems that he still has a back-up call. His brain now seems to be boiling, and he really can’t figure it out for a while.

This is the terrible thing about the emperor!

However, Cao Cao obviously grasped the key points and asked: "Your Majesty's strategy is indeed a great strategy, but the official workshop is huge. As the saying goes, the big ship is not afraid of wind, and the small ship is easy to turn around. These enterprises are still not as flexible as those of private salt and iron, right? If a large-scale trade with the four barbarians, will the official enterprises also come forward? In this way, it will inevitably lead to the prevalence of smuggling."

"The court does not care about small folk workshops. Small blacksmith shops, tailor shops, and the people are fishing and chopping firewood. Of course, the court allows them. In addition, I have also thought about the problem that large enterprises are not flexible enough."

"I plan to add a private access system based on state-owned and collective-owned economy."

"This... I dare to ask the emperor, what is private access?"

"Commodities are always sold when they are produced. Where is the size of the official workshop? It is destined to be only suitable for large-scale wholesale and not small-scale retail. Letting the court run businesses such as shops, goods and shops must be rigid, rigid, and inappropriate. In order to sell unsold products, they are even forcibly distributed to the people."

"For this reason, I believe that although there are many people employed in commercial transportation, trade, and even border trade, they are not directly engaged in production, and can be opened to private operations."

"But this openness is not something that everyone can do. It is conditional. The court will issue a license. Only families with strong strength and pure family style can buy a license from the court to operate, and crack down on unlicensed operations."

"In this way, the court only needs to manage a small number of merchants, so that it can conduct macro-control of the market well and also facilitate restrictions on these merchants who have obtained certificates."

"For example, after obtaining a business license, there will be no one in the family to be an official. There must be a clear dividing line between officials and businessmen. For example, the person who has obtained the certificate cannot own land in the name of the family. In addition, this certificate is also a rotational certificate, which is changed every five years. No family can hold a certificate in the three realms. After the expiration of the period, they will have no right to do business. Then let them use the money they have earned in the past five years to purchase land, or support their children to study and become officials."

"In addition, this certificate requires money and grain to be bought. In this way, the court will have an additional fiscal revenue every five years. For example, we urgently need money and grain to resettle refugees, so we can make an emergency money by selling certificates. The court guarantees that they have sufficient choices when purchasing. For example, the products produced by a certain official workshop are not easy to sell, and the merchants holding the certificate will naturally choose not to buy them and instead buy products produced by other official enterprises."

Cao Cao's eyes rolled, and the eyes of his ministers rolled.

Everyone felt that the emperor had a deep meaning in his words, but at the same time, everyone's mind was a little excited now.

I really don’t have the energy to think about it anymore!
Chapter completed!